Hi y’all, I’ve been a member for a long time, but only recently started to explore and participate in the site. So hello, and here are some thoughts on raising a new battle pet, but I’d like input on more efficient ways: ::Edit:: it’s been shown to me that much of what follows doesn’t actually work. Thanks for corrections

First: Intelligence and AP I made the mistake of using books on my pet too early. I should have bought as many Intelligence points as possible from Spindles Shop first to get maximum efficiency and use books later.

Second: Tiers by Battle EXP Spending battle experience is clearly he quickest way, but I had started to advance the tiers too haphazardly. From now on, I will go one point into a higher tier to use higher tier weapons to farm battle XP. I’ll use a stat leech to lower my tier and the cost of each stat. If I save up 150,000 experience I could, for instance, buy all 600 points needed for tier 3 to become 4 by spending it at the top of tier 2. Then I’ll be low tier 4 with new items and start gaining experience again. More realistically I’ll be saving up a portion of it rather than all of it and use stockpiled eggs for the final distance.

Third: Training Training I use all the time, but will train levels to points that make the other stats’ maximums just within the range of the next tier so I don’t go over.

Fourth: Items All the items from eggs, which I’m only using at the top of tier 3 to reach tier 4, and Shinwas stat boosters, and all my mage tomes I’m saving in the vault. As stats become more difficult to gain, the value of items goes up as they’re easier to get results with.

Fifth: Zapper Sometimes it gives you stats, and any pet whose form isn’t decided might benefit from that luck. The one I target has had lots of forms, some stat gains, lots of treasure spaces. My Tergier has had many forms, and has mostly benefited from the zapper chances.

Uuuh I have thoughts on weapon and scroll choices too, but I’ll just leave it at this for now.

Love the site, ~Mogey

I think you're overcomplicating things. If you like spindles, you should spend that exp before reading books, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to make that much of a difference. Don't bother if you don't like the game anyway.

Second, if you have eggs, use them. You can't use them after you hit tier 4.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it seems like you think you'll buy all those stats at the tier 2 price, which is not the case. If you're one stat away from tier 3, you have to buy that one stat, then you keep going at tier 3 prices. You should be buying stats as soon as you get exp, so that then you can fight stronger opponents in BQs and earn more exp.

It sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this. I guess if you're only raising one battle pet, then you'd want to be as industrious as possible to get the max you can get out of the system.

But some of this strikes me as analogous to driving 15 miles over the speed limit in order to get somewhere faster. Driving that fast will only shave a few minutes off your time, but you pose a greater risk to your fellow travelers and a risk to yourself of getting caught.

Similarly, buying intelligence points and then using the books doesn't save you much. This would only save you in that eventually books become scarce, and you can only gain AP if your twelfth intelligence point is gotten from a book. However, new books are constantly being released, and there are several in specialty/holiday shops that you will probably have access to after earning the special currency, so this really won't save you much, if anything.

Beyond that, I agree with pretty much everything said. Furthermore, using stat leeches is like trying to take a step forward by taking a step back. I think stat leeches are only really useful once you get closer to the end goal and you want to create a specific build (for example, if you want the pet to have high HP and you need to shed some speed or defense to make room for it).

My preferred way of raising a pet's stats fast is by also training other pets to a certain extent and then battling with them on the lower tiers to farm mage amulets and tomes. The disadvantage to that is that it's boring and takes a ton of time to do all that battling. However, I think it evens out in the end in terms of cost, and then you also have these battlers ready for special events so that you can get more than one copy of special prizes. So really it's a net positive in cost. (You just have to figure out what you value more - time or sP.)

Yeah I hadn’t tested the spending at a lower tier, and hadn’t known about only being able to buy up to that tier. Thanks for pointing that out. And stat leeches were only useful with that sort of strategy in mind, so I’ve got less use for them now.

Totally using all the eggs before tier 4. But I may still save the other stat booster items for when training time becomes longer.

As for the Spindles and the Intelligence, on some of my pets, affordable books are becoming more scarce, so the spindle shop still seems really useful so long as every 12th is a book. The spindle points are 500 a day from four corners, so I save them up.

Thanks for the replies and corrections to my misunderstandings~

~mogey

You get an AP every 16th book, but you catch up with any book you read after that.

And the int cost for spindles points goes up with every int you get. If your int is 0, it costs 9 spindles points to buy one int. If you have ~3,700, it costs about ~37k spindles points. So if you really like spindles and are planning on training up a new pet, you should definitely do so before reading any books. But like I said, it's not really worth it unless you like spindles and would be playing anyway.

Most people consider books that cost less than 1 mil sP to be "affordable". If that sounds crazy to you, then it's probably a better use of your time to try and earn more sP to buy books than to toil away playing spindles! Unless you just really like spindles, of course. At the end of the day you should do what feels fun. :)

thanks for the further clarification of that it’s every 16th multiple. Also my book prices of unread books are approaching that 1mil point pretty soonish for my main battle pets and am starting to feel that I’d like more AP already at tier 3.

Also it’s not so much that I really like spindles as it’s a simple puzzle with a measurable benefit on a pet stat and I don’t think any other games do that. It became a lot easier once the pattern became clear and sometimes the starting position is really lucky. I set my new four corners completion record of 14 moves in 14 seconds just today. I just play 3 or 4 times a day for about 200 spindle shop points in about 5 minutes.

*It seems that early on with low intelligence points is the only time that spindle shop prices are low enough to do this anyway.

Not sure where you're looking, but there are about 1500 books under 1m sP. On SubetaLodge you can sort by shop price. You can also make a list of the books you've already read so it's easier to track!

Ah I had definitely underestimated how many were left; I’ve been using the unread books list on individual pets and buying every book below a threshold on each page. The books that cheap are fewer now though and the lists pages are filled with pricier books, which gave me the very precise measurement of reaching that “...1m point pretty soonish”. Right now I can be comfortable buying a few dozen books below or around 100k, but not dozens at like 250k or higher yet. And even if I wanted to buy all the 781 books listed between just 100k and 200k on subetalodge, I couldn’t afford all of them at the cheapest price of 100k each. So while I still work to gather SP, now I just know better how to give my pets a slight boost in AP when I didn’t know before.

Thanks for that clarification! I forgot what book number it was, plus I never play spindles so didn't know there was a trick to it. :)

Oof, that sounds tedious! I echo in saying that Subetalodge makes things infinitely easier. If you want all your pets to read the same books, then I would recommend signing up for a Subetalodge account and using one of your pets to keep track. They have a very nice visual system (green means yes, you've read it; red means no). Then you can sort by price and do an account search for how many you have, subtract that from how many pets you have, and you'll know how many you need. :)

P.S. I would just skip over buying the battle loot books. I have so many Time Travel II books right now, and nothing to do with them despite my 100 pets. XD I'm not sure how you'd know which books are battle loot, though - I don't think there's a list somewhere or a way to search it on Subetalodge, unfortunately.

P.P.S. In case you haven't found it yet, this spreadsheet will be your best friend.